Women have choices ,Men have responsibilities

Published on January 13, 2004 By Vic Vanity In Home & Family

In the United States , women have a legal right to reproduction .this right supercedes the right of the father and the right of the unborn child .before conception Women have the right to have or not have sex . After conception women have the legal right to an abortion after the child is born women have the legal right to put the child up for adoption or leave it at a safe drop off point if she so chooses not to be a parent . every one of her choices has true consequences .for the father of her said child which can have effects for the rest of his life (even if he didn't have sex with her ) women who have committed statutory rape . still can obligate their victim to 18 plus years of child support payments . women who have taken semen from a discarded condemn or even women who have lied about paternity can force unwilling men to be at the very least finically responsible for the choice of women . contrary to what is written in our constitution women have become a protected member of society and create a superior class far above an equation of equality .

Men are expected to pay for a women choice with out having a say , our founding fathers protested such gross injustices by throwing tea into the Boston harbor using the battle cry with out a say we wont pay . many men who are forced at gunpoint to pay child support do so with out a say in even the most fundamental aspects of their childrens lives even though most court orders call for men to have a say in the education ,religious and medical treatment of their children ... these order never are enforced .

it is far beyond comprehension that a man should be forced to lose when it is most commonly the women who break their legal contracts (marriage has been turned into a legally binding contract ) in all areas of contractual law the person who breaks a contract suffers some form of consequences , Not so in marriage . in fact the law tends to reward women for breaking marriage contracts . with high awards for child support alimony the house and vehicles .....the transfer of wealth serves no real purpose besides lining the pockets of lawyers , judges and the government .

Men need to take drastic steps to insure their rights are upheld . Before it comes to revolutionary methods .

Comments (Page 2)

JillUser

on Jan 14, 2004

Well said Lunaticus.

Life is not fair. I agree that it is not fair that a woman gets to chose to have an abortion even if the guy wanted the child but it is necessary. It doesn't do anything to a man's body to have a baby. That is just one of those difference that we have to deal with.

As for statutory rape, I would be interested to hear what the law has to say about that. The guy couldn't have to pay for the child at first because if it is statutory, he isn't an adult. The law may make him support the child after he comes of age. I don't believe that is just. I think those cases must be pretty rare though.

Vic Vanity

on Jan 14, 2004

Jill:

here is caselaw on the subject . San Luis Obispo County v. Nathaniel J., ___ Cal. App. 4th ___, 57 Cal. Rptr. 2d 843 . Recent decisions from other states agree that the fact that the father was the victim of
statutory rape does not provide a defense to child support. S.F. v. Alabama ex rel. T.M., 23 Fam. L.
Rep. (BNA) 1082 (Ala. Civ. App. Nov. 22, 1996); State ex rel. Hermesmann v. Seyer, 252 Kan. 646,
847 P.2d 1273 (1993); Jevning v. Chicos, 499 N.W.2d 515 (Minn. 1993); Mercer County v. Alf M.,
155 Misc. 2d 703, 589 N.Y.S.2d 288 (Fam. Ct. 1992).

Hell you dont even have to be the father of the child and they can force you to pay child support .

Zoomba

on Jan 14, 2004

The argument as I see it is the following:

Man and woman have consentual sex. Male Choice: 1, Female Choice: 1
Both sides are equally responsible in this matter, there's no blame to be assigned here.

Woman decides to terminate pregnancy. Male Choice: 0, Female Choice: 1
The guy has no say in this, even if he wants to raise the baby. I know there's the argument of it's the woman's body etc.

Woman decides she wants to give the child up for adoption (assuming she didn't list the father on the birth cert). Male Choice: 0 Female Choice: 1
This is an odd case probably, but the fact that it can happen makes it relevant.

Woman decides she doesn't like the guy anymore and wants him to have no contact with the child. Male Choice: 0, Female Choice: 1
The courts go this way more often than not. It is the unspoken assumption that women are naturally better parents, that they have a greater claim of ownership of a child.

...Said woman still wants child support. Male Choice: 0, Female Choice: 1
This happens too, and typically unless the courts find a claim to be absolutely ridiculous, it's usually given.

Men: 1, Women: 5

The fact of the matter is that there is one step in the process where a guy has full say in what happens. Beyond that point, he has no solid ground, legally or socially speaking, to stand on. Now, I fully support the idea that a guy should be responsible for his actions, and that if he gets a girl pregnant, it's his duty to see the whole deal through. That said, I still don't think it's right for the girl to hold all the cards from the point of conception forward. Women want equal rights to men in so many other areas... why not in this one too?

Lunaticus Minimus

on Jan 15, 2004

Zooma, you summarized what my long winded statement was all about.

Also, it isn't equal rights because..(now, if you feel you must flame this, feel free) the majority of things are not equal. We have not achieved an equal society.
We're struggling as is to quasi-balance things out. I am of the opinion it'll shift things eventually to the woman's side of having the upper hand as the man did 100 years ago..
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction..We're shifting the balance, it isn't going to stop until it loses momentum.

Women want affirmative action, equal pay, etc.,.. Which *I* do agree with..
But they also want to be treated different than the male gender.
A woman hits a guy: He had it coming
A guy hits back: He's a woman beating asshole fit to be lynched.

Now, I'm not into hitting anyone, period. But this doesn't sound 'equal' does it.

A woman wants into a men only club/office, what have you..But doesn't want to be sexually harassed.
Guys sexually harass each other, just in different terms..(though this IS the new millenium)
The woman wants to be allowed equal access to everything, but doesn't want the hassel that comes with everything..
Is that equal or balanced? Once again, I'm not into slapping anyone on the ass and saying hey baby, but the point needs to be made..

We are different. Men and Women just are not the same. By sheer definition, we're not the same.
That doesn't mean one should treat the other like a subjeciated race of underlings only there for the amusement and whims of others..

So when it comes down to Women having almost all of the choices in pregnancy, it's just the way it goes.
UNFORTUNATELY: The law is blind and should not make distinctions between genders out of stereotypes and misconceptions..But How can we fix that so that it's fair all the way around? We can't..

Dynosoar

on Feb 24, 2005

I shouldn't comment, particularly with the overall tone of discussion being rather balanced and both spectrums of the topic well represented, BUT, I feel compelled to toss out my opinion, or at least my observations.

In my little corner of the world the vast majority of single parents are;

A. Young, under-educated, minority women
B. Socio-economically disadvantaged
C. 2nd generation receiving government assistance
D. Have more than 1 child

I have discussed in past blogs the lifestyle purpetuated by government assistance, and the degradation of the Africa American male due to the current system.

Child support enforcement is nothing more than an extention of this ever widening divide, ie, Support must be sought and uncollected to qualify for some benefits. It is an economic nessesity for the womans benefit, as well as a rationalization for the case managers social engineering job.

The male in this situation, who may actually want a relationship with the mother and child, cannot be an active part of this family due to the loss of benefits that would be brought about just by his mere presence.

As to the demise of a traditional family torn apart by divorce, and the subsequent support issues that arise, personal experience has proven, at least to me, that the courts are tilted in favor of the mother. Irregardless of circumstances or the defaulting party, the mother is going to come out on top, financially speaking, that is.

Revolution? Nah, that's not a solution, the children deserve the support, no matter how reprehensible the mothers actions were, are, or could be. That being said, some have suggested that a crime of passion, such as killing the Beotch, would result in no more than a Manslaughter conviction, relegating one to no more than a 6 year active sentence.......child support does run until the child is 18........................................

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