Women have choices ,Men have responsibilities

Published on January 13, 2004 By Vic Vanity In Home & Family

In the United States , women have a legal right to reproduction .this right supercedes the right of the father and the right of the unborn child .before conception Women have the right to have or not have sex . After conception women have the legal right to an abortion after the child is born women have the legal right to put the child up for adoption or leave it at a safe drop off point if she so chooses not to be a parent . every one of her choices has true consequences .for the father of her said child which can have effects for the rest of his life (even if he didn't have sex with her ) women who have committed statutory rape . still can obligate their victim to 18 plus years of child support payments . women who have taken semen from a discarded condemn or even women who have lied about paternity can force unwilling men to be at the very least finically responsible for the choice of women . contrary to what is written in our constitution women have become a protected member of society and create a superior class far above an equation of equality .

Men are expected to pay for a women choice with out having a say , our founding fathers protested such gross injustices by throwing tea into the Boston harbor using the battle cry with out a say we wont pay . many men who are forced at gunpoint to pay child support do so with out a say in even the most fundamental aspects of their childrens lives even though most court orders call for men to have a say in the education ,religious and medical treatment of their children ... these order never are enforced .

it is far beyond comprehension that a man should be forced to lose when it is most commonly the women who break their legal contracts (marriage has been turned into a legally binding contract ) in all areas of contractual law the person who breaks a contract suffers some form of consequences , Not so in marriage . in fact the law tends to reward women for breaking marriage contracts . with high awards for child support alimony the house and vehicles .....the transfer of wealth serves no real purpose besides lining the pockets of lawyers , judges and the government .

Men need to take drastic steps to insure their rights are upheld . Before it comes to revolutionary methods .

Comments (Page 1)

Locamama

on Jan 13, 2004

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Men have the right to choose to have or not have sex. Men have the right to chose to use birth control. Men cannot get pregnant and do not have the right to force a woman to terminate pregnancy or carry a pregnancy full term. They did have the choice of whether to impregnate that woman in the first place in 99.9% of pregnancies. Men have a responsibility to support their children as do women. Most men's income rises after a divorce and most women's income falls so that last statement that women are rewarded after a divorce is completely untrue.

Vic Vanity

on Jan 13, 2004

Lenore Weitzman's 1985 book The Divorce Revolution claimed that women and children average a 73% drop in standard of living after divorce; fathers' increase by 42%. It caused a sensation whose effects are still driving social perceptions and policies. It was wrong. Weitzman refused to provide her data to others until, when she left the Murray Center at Stanford University, Richard Peterson of the Social Science Research Council, New York City, reassessed it. There were many data errors, arithmetic errors, and doubtful methodology. Even following Weitzman's methodology, the data showed only a 28% drop for women, and a 7% increase for men after divorce. Eleven years, many false witch hunts, dozens of oppressive measures, and untold suicides later. Weitzman later admitted that her methods were decietful .... If you can show me other evidence besides weitzmans studies i will give it a look ....

Muggaz

on Jan 13, 2004

Locamama, when replying you really shouldn't make it so planely obvious that you are ignorant. This is merely an article of personal opinion with the headline that Woman have choices and men have responsibilities... please feel free to knit pick the argument and preset one of your own, but dont be so brash as to state it as :wrong, wrong wrong' no one's opinion can be wrong...

That being said... i beleive Vic is right on to something... Females have all the power when it comes to relationships today, they are able to pick and choose who exaclty they want to sleep with, as most guys are stupid enough to think only with the penis. Of course men have a responsibilty to support the child, but that isn't what Vic is saying at all... he is saying the female has ultimate power, even if it was a statutory rape AGAINST the male or whatever... i think you have made the istake of assuming too much.

Sparkles

on Jan 13, 2004

And here lies the problems of relationships today...the mindset that one has power over the other. In a loving relationship a couple will decide together to procreate. In a loving relationship if a pregnancy occurs outside planning, the couple will decide together the route to take. Yes, having sex is a two way street. Both men and women have the options of saying NO, using birth control, or not using birth control. It isn't about who has more power. It is about being responsible adults in a responsible, loving relationship. Unfortunately in all this the people who suffer the most are the children.

Muggaz

on Jan 13, 2004

correct... i should rephrase... in the courting stages.. females have all the power... power should the be distributed equally once a 'relationship' begins

Locamama

on Jan 13, 2004

Women have all the power because they chose who to sleep with? Men don't have the power to chose who to sleep with - yeah right. I don't see the point. Men have choices, women have responsibilites - how many single dad's do you know? Are they the ones taking responsibity besides sending a check? There is a lot more to rasing children than writing a check which usually comes no where near to the cost of raising a child. Most child support won't even cover childcare for mom to work not to mention the thousands of deadbeats who don't support their children. Call me ignorant if you want, that's what I think.

Dawn

on Jan 13, 2004

I agree that SOME women do put men in a cage by getting pregnant either through what you have described or through lying about birth control. What I do not agree with is that men will father these children and the only thing they do is pay child support. Women more than likely won't have an abortion or give up the child for an adoption. The attachement is too great for them. Women do have responsibilities and men have choices. They have the choice of whether or not they want to be a part of the child's life besides just a check each month. Women have to take care of the child and have no free time for themselves. If they do have an abortion, it haunts them. Not to mention the 9 months that the woman goes through carrying the child. Maybe you should think about both sides to an arguement before laying the blame. It's not easy being a woman.

Vic Vanity

on Jan 13, 2004

Dawn ; According to research most single mothers have intrerfered with fathers visitation of their children .....(if you like i can give you the complete list of studies) ...Men after the point of conception have No say whatsoever .... yet we are the only forced By gunpoint to have responibility ... if women are irresponible they simply take the kids away ... They only jail them when they child has been pyshically abused ..... i am not against mothers i am simply against the blatant biased shown by the courts which is Unconstitutional .....
Locamama you dont see many single fathers because of gender bias in family courts

JillUser

on Jan 13, 2004

Vic, I must say this sounds like a man scourned and venting his anger. You mentioned that a woman has the legal right to put a child up for adoption. Well, the father has the right to keep that child. The adoption process is careful about making sure that both parents are aware and consenting.

As for why women get custody, I can only judge by the cases I am familiar with. All of the divorces that I have encountered were due to the man leaving the woman. All were cases of homemakers left with no work experience. Women who stayed at home, caring for their children should get some form of custody. Like it or not, children bond more closely with their primary caregiver and removing them from that person would be devastating. Too many people overlook the childrens' best interest and focus on making their spouse pay. I think the courts tend to protect the children rather than the man or woman. That is just my opinion though. I see this article as pure opinion since no facts were substantiated and real life has shown me the contrary.

Suzee

on Jan 14, 2004

In most cases the courts give the mother custody if the children, and not because they are better care givers.
I know of one case in particular where the mother was proven to have abused her son, yet she was still given custody! The child wanted to be with his father, but the courts didn't care about that.
What is more important? The child or the caring parent?

Vic Vanity

on Jan 14, 2004

Jill:
The courts have little to no intrest in the childs best intrest . it has been proven the children form as close a bond with their fathers and that children fair better when they have contact with both parents ....

the adoption process can only ask the father if he was named ... and women (unless recieving state benifits) are not required to name the childs father.

Why shouldnt men be Angry ? when fundamental rights are tossed away like a used kleenex everyone should be outraged

Muggaz

on Jan 14, 2004

Locamama - I am not disagreeing with you that there are dead beats out there... i catagorically admit that well over 50% of the male population are jerks... however, (warning -this is very blatant...) its the stupid girls fault for falling for these idiots and letting them sleep with them... a gross, gross generalisation, but in my opinion a very valid point. Females really need to do something about the rules of attraction... I am sure you can agree with me to some extent here... for some reason, girls are attracted to assholes who treat them like shit... now, i know what this reason is, and you might as well... but, its their own problem, and their responsibility to do something about it... stop sleeping with assholes.

Muggaz

on Jan 14, 2004

edit - the 50% that are jerks usually mature, and realise they are jerks - but not until they are late 20's... some never do...

Lunaticus Minimus

on Jan 14, 2004

Just to toss some things into the mix. Women can and do entrap men with pregnancy..Not ALL WOMEN. But it does happen. I want to see someone from either side of this comment argue that.
Second, Men can be deadbeats, have multiple children and not claim/pay for any of them. Not ALL MEN. But it does happen. I want to see someone from either side of this comment argue that.
Third: The laws provided are abused by many.

Men do have the choice to have sex. Once they make that choice, alot of the other choices fall on the woman and are only made by the woman. She may be influenced/agree with her spouse/mate/casual friend she just sleeps with on the weekends and an accident happened, but it is a trap in that once you sleep with a woman it's like signing a waiver claming you give up all rights in the decision making process.

If a woman aborts a child the father wished to take care of, she doesn't go to jail.
If the father abandons a woman after she has a child, he can be taken to court, sued and screwed to the walls, and even arrested for being a deadbeat dad. Even if he did NOT want anything to do with the woman or the child due to casual sex in which an Act of God happened. (i.e. accidental pregnancy)

So, how is that fair? It isn't. Vanity's right in that it is grossly biased and sided on the woman.. (This is ignoring all emotional repercussions that come from having sex, so if yuo get emotional reading this..You shouldn't comment, you're not thinking clearly..aka Loca)
It isn't fair, but nessecary in most instances.
Neither man nor woman is really that mature in the long run. Many adults are children with rights to vote, have sex, possess guns, drink..
So who's right and who's wrong? It takes TWO to Tango..it should take TWO to work it out...Courts should only be there to make sure some agreement can be arranged, not force anything upon any individual.

Lunaticus Minimus

on Jan 14, 2004

I pressed submit a little quickly.

The law should not intefer in the relationship of individuals because it forces ideals upon people who may not agree with it.
One last thing, Men AND Women, keep your legs closed. If you end up in a court battle over the repercussions of you having sex, neither of you are responsible enough to have the child/children in question. You're both at fault. BOTH.

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